I think you may still have noticed. This creature has fur growing directly from the bone of the skull, and internally it seems as if it's been constructed from a child’s drawing.
I don't know. What she believes about false memories might be better for all of us. There's no one else here like me. If the things I don't understand are locked inside me somehow and we can liberate them
[It's a thought she doesn't even know how to finish]
This creature has no heart that I could locate. If we are all constructs built for the amusement of someone else, what if I don't have one either?
I tried talking about this with her, but if we don't, does it matter? We're here. We think, and feel, and hurt. Those things define us. Even if I'm not the Stephanie Brown that was born in Gotham 19 years ago, I'm still me. That has just as much meaning and value as being anyone else.
[ She needs a minute with this. She can't explain why it hurts her heart. Is she afraid it could be true? Does she want it to be true? Whatever it is, it isn't worth getting worked up about. ]
What makes one person better than another? I mean, assuming one isn't a serial killer or something, is the life of a scholar worth more than the life of a farmer, in the grand scheme of things? If someone put those two people in front of you and told you to decide which one gets to live, could you choose? Is that how you want to live your life?
I would want to save them both. They both deserve that chance.
You don't even know if this other person exists, much less what she's like or how she feels. Even if you did, you have no way of getting them back.
Don't value yourself less than a person you can only imagine. We can only deal with what's in front of us right now.
Besides, Sameen's theory is possible, but it's not likely. There's no good reason for someone to go to the trouble it would take to create fake people out of real ones just to toss us all on a creepy island.
A fake world, fake people, those aren't easy things to do. They take a lot of work, a lot of money and a lot of help. There are easier ways to go about it than to brainwash ordinary people into thinking they're from another world.
And if they had that ability in the first place, and Sameen was really the one they wanted to manipulate, they would do it to her, not us.
I don't know her well, but my impression is that harm to others - especially harm that she blames herself for - is worse than harm to herself. I assume you noticed this as well.
[Yeah, she saw all of your I'm going to RUN OFF RECKLESSLY into the JUNGLE stuff]
If I wished to hurt her, putting her in a place where everyone but her could die does not seem such a poor plan.
Would it truly take more work to create a convincing fiction than to kidnap a person from so far in your world’s past? What purpose do I serve to whoever is doing this?
Even if she's right about this world being fake, it's incredibly unlikely that the people she's thinking of are responsible for it. She said herself that too much was different. I can tell you from experience, even crazy people, even when they're trying to change tactics, they don't change much.
But that's the thing. If a convincing fiction is what you need, why would you turn to the past? That's not convincing. Create something from the present. Better, just take someone from the present. There's no need to brainwash them at all.
All of this, whatever it is, it took work. Much more work than necessary if all you wanted to do was upset one woman.
Honestly, I doubt that there's a single target either, but I can see why she thinks it's her.
[However, if Shaw is right and her captors have contacted her with demands, melting into the jungle and not telling anyone isn't exactly out of the question for her, so how would they ever know?]
It scared me, seeing something like that. Not just a foreign animal, but an artificial one. I don't think this is a dream.
I have heard of people creating their own animals, usually using other animals as a base. It's expensive and it doesn't always work, but it could make the kind of thing you saw. And it makes Sameen's theory even less likely. If this was a world someone created, even if they got the animals wrong it wouldn't be so sloppy. It would look intentional.
So far we seem to function pretty normally. People that mess with humans as a species tend to do it in small ways, like trying to make them stronger or smarter.
But if we were just copies of ourselves? That would be pretty awful once we get out of here, but we're still ourselves.
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cw: some dead animal talk
I've captured a small pig-like creature, and it doesn't seem like it could have ever been a real living beast.
cw: some gross dead animal talk
I've never killed an animal before so it was kind of mangled when I was done with it?
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I didn't actually look at the skull
kind of just left the head alone
honestly it just looked like a lot of gooey lumps of flesh to me
I saw intestines
there WERE organs
couldn't tell you what most of them were
i left the chest cavity mostly alone too
stuck to the parts i knew were safe to eat
i was carving with a pointy stick it was really gross
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I see.
I'm worried. I don't know what's possible. Are the animals here all constructs? Are we?
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Are you worried about what Sameen said? That we might not be real?
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[It's a thought she doesn't even know how to finish]
This creature has no heart that I could locate. If we are all constructs built for the amusement of someone else, what if I don't have one either?
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What makes one person better than another? I mean, assuming one isn't a serial killer or something, is the life of a scholar worth more than the life of a farmer, in the grand scheme of things? If someone put those two people in front of you and told you to decide which one gets to live, could you choose? Is that how you want to live your life?
I would want to save them both. They both deserve that chance.
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You don't even know if this other person exists, much less what she's like or how she feels. Even if you did, you have no way of getting them back.
Don't value yourself less than a person you can only imagine. We can only deal with what's in front of us right now.
Besides, Sameen's theory is possible, but it's not likely. There's no good reason for someone to go to the trouble it would take to create fake people out of real ones just to toss us all on a creepy island.
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A fake world, fake people, those aren't easy things to do. They take a lot of work, a lot of money and a lot of help. There are easier ways to go about it than to brainwash ordinary people into thinking they're from another world.
And if they had that ability in the first place, and Sameen was really the one they wanted to manipulate, they would do it to her, not us.
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[Yeah, she saw all of your I'm going to RUN OFF RECKLESSLY into the JUNGLE stuff]
If I wished to hurt her, putting her in a place where everyone but her could die does not seem such a poor plan.
Would it truly take more work to create a convincing fiction than to kidnap a person from so far in your world’s past? What purpose do I serve to whoever is doing this?
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Even if she's right about this world being fake, it's incredibly unlikely that the people she's thinking of are responsible for it. She said herself that too much was different. I can tell you from experience, even crazy people, even when they're trying to change tactics, they don't change much.
But that's the thing. If a convincing fiction is what you need, why would you turn to the past? That's not convincing. Create something from the present. Better, just take someone from the present. There's no need to brainwash them at all.
All of this, whatever it is, it took work. Much more work than necessary if all you wanted to do was upset one woman.
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[However, if Shaw is right and her captors have contacted her with demands, melting into the jungle and not telling anyone isn't exactly out of the question for her, so how would they ever know?]
It scared me, seeing something like that. Not just a foreign animal, but an artificial one. I don't think this is a dream.
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I have heard of people creating their own animals, usually using other animals as a base. It's expensive and it doesn't always work, but it could make the kind of thing you saw. And it makes Sameen's theory even less likely. If this was a world someone created, even if they got the animals wrong it wouldn't be so sloppy. It would look intentional.
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But if we were just copies of ourselves? That would be pretty awful once we get out of here, but we're still ourselves.
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