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[meadqueen]

I would sacrifice this one to free the other, if she was happy. Why suffer for a fiction?

[ichoosefight]

You're not a fiction.

You don't even know if this other person exists, much less what she's like or how she feels. Even if you did, you have no way of getting them back.

Don't value yourself less than a person you can only imagine. We can only deal with what's in front of us right now.

Besides, Sameen's theory is possible, but it's not likely. There's no good reason for someone to go to the trouble it would take to create fake people out of real ones just to toss us all on a creepy island.

[meadqueen]

There’s no good reason to believe that whoever is doing this to us is rational.

[ichoosefight]

Even irrational people have reasons.

A fake world, fake people, those aren't easy things to do. They take a lot of work, a lot of money and a lot of help. There are easier ways to go about it than to brainwash ordinary people into thinking they're from another world.

And if they had that ability in the first place, and Sameen was really the one they wanted to manipulate, they would do it to her, not us.

[meadqueen]

I don't know her well, but my impression is that harm to others - especially harm that she blames herself for - is worse than harm to herself. I assume you noticed this as well.

[Yeah, she saw all of your I'm going to RUN OFF RECKLESSLY into the JUNGLE stuff]

If I wished to hurt her, putting her in a place where everyone but her could die does not seem such a poor plan.

Would it truly take more work to create a convincing fiction than to kidnap a person from so far in your world’s past? What purpose do I serve to whoever is doing this?

[ichoosefight]

[ Hehe, good times. ]

Even if she's right about this world being fake, it's incredibly unlikely that the people she's thinking of are responsible for it. She said herself that too much was different. I can tell you from experience, even crazy people, even when they're trying to change tactics, they don't change much.

But that's the thing. If a convincing fiction is what you need, why would you turn to the past? That's not convincing. Create something from the present. Better, just take someone from the present. There's no need to brainwash them at all.

All of this, whatever it is, it took work. Much more work than necessary if all you wanted to do was upset one woman.

[meadqueen]

Honestly, I doubt that there's a single target either, but I can see why she thinks it's her.

[However, if Shaw is right and her captors have contacted her with demands, melting into the jungle and not telling anyone isn't exactly out of the question for her, so how would they ever know?]

It scared me, seeing something like that. Not just a foreign animal, but an artificial one. I don't think this is a dream.

[ichoosefight]

I can see why it would.

I have heard of people creating their own animals, usually using other animals as a base. It's expensive and it doesn't always work, but it could make the kind of thing you saw. And it makes Sameen's theory even less likely. If this was a world someone created, even if they got the animals wrong it wouldn't be so sloppy. It would look intentional.

[meadqueen]

And if that is why it seems we can't die? Being a poorly made doll of myself seems worse than being some stranger’s ghost.

[ichoosefight]

So far we seem to function pretty normally. People that mess with humans as a species tend to do it in small ways, like trying to make them stronger or smarter.

But if we were just copies of ourselves? That would be pretty awful once we get out of here, but we're still ourselves.

[meadqueen]

Many people here are weaker, aren't they? There are things they can no longer do.

[ichoosefight]

Exactly. That doesn't fit.

[meadqueen]

If we’re as poorly put together as this pig, it does. I'm amazed it ever lived.

[ichoosefight]

But we still look the same. People do crazy stuff with animals because they don't care, but they keep humans more or less the same.

[meadqueen]

Do you think these people care that much about what happens to us? If we can't survive long in these bodies they'll give us new ones.

[ichoosefight]

We've survived a week with no real problems. I don't know about you, but I don't feel anything wrong aside from hunger and thirst.

[meadqueen]

I feel strange but I'm not used to this kind of weather.

[Also she fell off a cliff but that's probably not important]

1/3

[ichoosefight]

If our organs were in the wrong place we would feel a hell of a lot worse.

I should know, it happened once!

2/3

[ichoosefight]

that's a joke

a very morbid joke

3/3

[ichoosefight]

but technically still true

[meadqueen]

I think I've changed my mind about wishing that I was one of you. It seems exhausting.

[ichoosefight]

wait what is one of me in this case

[meadqueen]

All of you airplane people, speaking your secret languages and insisting very authoritatively that some bizarre things are real but other equally bizarre things could not possibly be so.

[ichoosefight]

actually my organs getting mashed was more or less at Viking technology level

but "airplane people" does sound pretty cool

and yeah it's a fine line between crazy but believable and just plain crazy. sometimes it's not really a line at all. but don't you think that getting kidnapped through time and being a fake person taking up someone else's brain space are pretty equally crazy?

[meadqueen]

[Randvi’s grudge against airplanes specifically is kind of outsized considering she's only even known about them for five days. One of the first times she’d worked up the courage to reach out everyone had told her that her observations were wrong, this was a place for planes, and then she’d looked around for huge metal birds like an idiot but of course there aren't any.

It's a bit like how Senku keeps trying to tell her how much better electricity is than fire even though electricity sucks and doesn't work and she's had like five successful fires just on this island.

The first time she sees a plane she's going to be furious that they're real.]

They both absolutely sound crazy, but I had hoped to not be alone anymore.